The influx of vacation renters at Palermo Palm Springs has brought new faces and a few concerns. Namely, people who are renting out condos for short terms may not know the rules. One concern has been the condition and use of the clubhouse, including the propping open of the doors and leaving the lights and television on. Another concern involves short-term vacation renters who have been bringing beer bottles into the pool areas. It's simple common sense that you don't this, but we've been told it has happened repeatedly over the past weeks. Any glass breakage on the concrete or that goes into the pools and spas could cut someone and require the draining of the pools and spas. Miss Penny Lane says: You won't see her at the pool with an unsightly beer bottle in hand because she has a lovely pink plastic glass for her Cosmo.
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I have too seen this happen. They also leave the pool gates open.
Hello Everyone,
This is Perry as some of you might know I am trying to get a neighborhood watch together here. Let me know if you have any ideas here that I can run with to fix this problem. If you don't want to write on forum email me at pstamas@live.com
A first step is making sure our rules are posted at the pool, i.e. no glass, keep gate closed, etc...Beyond that, its up to us to enforce and challenge people who are breaking the rules. I would hope most people will be reasonable when they understand the reasons behind the rules.
Agree with all three posts above. The neighborhood watch with a good email list is really needed. Signs in the trash bin area, at the pool, and other places are overdue but they must be done in good taste and professionally not taped up with blue tape and printed in loud colors. But I do say that it IS just common sense that you don't bring glasses and bottles into the pool areas. Who are these people who don't know that? I think they do and don't care.
No glass by the pool isn't an uncommon rule. Vacationers expect a resort type experience which may explain the lack of concern for the community. Id bet many believe its all just a resort and there is someone there to clean up after them. If units are going to be rents as hotels, rules and policies need to be posted in the units as well as verbal notice when they book the units. If it continues the rates should go up and a concierge and service people should be provided for the benefit of all.
I don't want to be someone to take away income from any of our homeowners that are renting, but I remember the CC&R's I received when our place was built explicitly saying that we could not rent our place out to more than one renter a month - the goal was to prevent exactly what is happening. I think it might be worth enforcing this rule so that we can keep our beautiful community clean and safe.
How many people are renting out their places? Seems like we have a lot of vacation people here. I don't like they have access to the clubhouse and leave it a mess. The glass in the pool area is a big accident waiting to happen. Please, owners tell your short-termers the rules.
Good question above
I don't see why we should need to heat two pools mainly for vacation renters who may be renting out units in a manner that is against the HOA rules about duration of the days of the stays.
The author of the posting above is not aware of the big picture. Vacationers help sustain the health of Palermo. Please don't treat them differently than other renters or homeowners. The heated pools are not a luxury, they are paid for by homeowners, renters and vacationers. Please don't underestimate anyone.
It is required by law that homeowners renting to vacationers post all the rules, etc inside the unit. I hope all are abiding by the rules. The city will fine you if you are not.
Nearly all HOAs in Palm Springs don't allow ANY rentals under 30 days because of problems. That also is the Palermo policy but it is being broken right and left. The HOA fees are paid by the owner - it doesn't matter where they get the money. Saying a vacation renter is paying HOA fees through their fees is like saying my boss pays them because I get a check from him and part of it goes to the HOA dues. It is the owner responsibility and they get the money without breaking the CC&Rs
There are ads on the Internet that don't have the city permit number.
Does anyone know for sure that vacationers are bringing glass bottles into the pool area or is this just a witch hunt? I think we should get the facts clear before we jump to so many conclusions. Long term tenants or guests are capable of doing these things also. People who rent need to post the rules inside the units. Maybe we can post the rules on the pool gates? And we all should keep our eyes open and speak out when we see someone breaking these rules. Let's face it: We have a great group of people here in general, and even the vacationers are very high quality and usually conscientious (I have met some). Occasionally you get some people breaking the rules, what can you do but try to keep them informed of the rules and report them to security if they ignore you. Other than that, let's all enjoy the community and stop getting so worked up.
The ones I saw were definitely short-time vacation renters from Sunburst and another from Sandy Point. The Sandy Point location seems like a hotel type operation - lots of turnover. Any glass breakage - pool drainage - injuries - should be placed on the homeowner renting out their places short term. Let's all keep any eye out since the full-timers are aware of the units do this type of renting against the CCRs
I rent my unit here seasonally and I would like to speak on the behalf of other short-term landlords. First, since I am renting a house that I myself live in part time, I screen renters very carefully. Since I bought the unit, I have only had 1 renter per month (excluding my own stays and a few days where my parents stayed for my Dad's birthday). I also clearly post the association rules inside the unit and on the rental agreement. I have found that short term renters are very conscientious of the rules inside the unit, and very clean. So far nothing I own has been broken or stolen. I cannot speak for what they are doing in the pool area, but it seems unlikely that they would act differently there.
Someone in a previous post argued that short term renters do not pay association fees. That may be true, but the owners of short term rentals do. Cutting out short term rentals will dramatically lower property values here, and quite possibly revenues for the HOA. Don't believe me? Lets look at some numbers: Long term rentals go for about $1200 per month here for the A units (at least that is what Village Property Management was charging if I remember right). That sets a floor on the value of an A unit at about $125,000. Why? Because after property taxes, HOA fees, repair costs, etc., the owner can make a 7% return on the property at that price. In the latest round of sales, prices were in the $165K - $200K range. Why? Because many of the buyers were planning to rent the units out short term, in which they can make enough money to justify paying those prices. So if you outlaw short term rentals, be prepared to see property values drop. It is also likely that there would be more vacant units for the same reason, and hence greater HOA fees for the remaining residents.
Lastly, imposing restrictions on rentals is legally dubious. The city of Venice revoked a law imposing a "30 day rule" after it was sued by a homeowner in a legal battle costing the city hundreds of thousands of dollars. Our HOA seemingly cannot afford to pick up eggshells. Can they afford a costly legal battle?
The above writes: "It is also likely that there would be more vacant units for the same reason." Wrong. Very wrong. There are virtually no empty units at Palermo. All except a couple are lived in or owned by second home owners. This is not a complex of empty for-sale units. Just the opposite. The above logic is pretty faulty on many levels. The 30-day rule is standard. Palm Desert is looking at a new law making it city-wide. The Venice example above dealt with different issues. The fact is that these under 30-day rentals are AGAINST the CCRs at Palermo and all who rent out below 30 days are breaking the rules. Nearly all of those breaking the rules aren't new buyers either. They are people who have been here a long time, paid too much, and now have turned to renting out in hotel-like fashion, and it is hurting the rest of us. Also, the HOA can pick up the eggshells but the management is the problem not the money it seems.
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